Garmin Nuvi 2595LMT Rant

[The Real Bev]

1. When I chose a different route it just stopped working and sulked.
No RECALCULATING, no attempt to make me do a U-turn, NOTHING. This
caused me to miss a turn because I thought it was still ahead of me
instead of RIGHT HERE NOW. It did this several times during this
300-mile trip.
2. It skipped a freeway interchange (OH SHIT THAT WAS THE 605 TURNOFF!)
and routed me up 14 miles of surface streets instead. No way to find
out if there was a good reason or not. It's not like I can actually
read the 'next turn' info while I'm driving in the dark, and it's
previously ALWAYS favored the 605 over other possibilities.
3. On a previous trip it sent me on a useless loop through a
residential neighborhood before it put me right back at the start of the
loop and told me how to REALLY get on the freeway.

I'd forgotten about being on I-60W when it shunted me off to the I-57N
offramp and then back on to the I-60; fortunately it wasn't difficult.
I suppose I'll remember others...

4. It previously routed me via a much longer freeway trip plus 20 miles
of surface streets (which I ignored) to apparently route me around what
I found to be NO TRAFFIC AT ALL on the most direct route.
5. "Shortest time" and "shortest distance" aren't enough choices. I
want one for "maximize freeway travel".
My previous Nuvi routed me through somebody's driveway and down a couple
of thousand feet to the bottom of the mountain. Twice. The bitch
seemed pretty snippy about it when I didn't follow her instructions.
There have been other inexplicable nastinesses with both Garmins. Would
I be better off with a Magellan or TomTom? I'll NEVER buy another
Garmin device ever. EVER.

Yesterday's glitch: Heading down to San Diego on I-57S to join I-5S in
the carpool lane. It tells me to go west on I-91. I figure OK, maybe
it knows something, let's give it a shot, and cross over maybe 5 lanes
of traffic. As I'm in the 91W lane and very nearly at the actual curve
it tells me to keep left on I57. SHIT! I managed to get out of the
I-91 off-ramp -- barely -- and then have to cross back 4 or 5 traffic
lanes to the carpool lane. No idea what the purpose of that exercise
was, except possibly to cause a serious multi-car crash.
I'm going to fire up the windows machine and do what I need to do to
update the firmware, but if that doesn't make a difference the next time
I use it I'm going to demand my money back from Garmin due to
unsuitability for the intended purpose. Enough is enough.

Took at least half an hour to install Garmin Express. Now it says it's
going to take 3+ hours to install the software+map updates. WTF? Just
how much memory is in this damn thing? I can run a 300GB full backup to
a USB2 drive in perhaps 8 hours. Dear lord PLEASE don't have a power
outage today...

[Angelo Campanella]

Post by The Real Bev

1. When I chose a different route it just stopped working and sulked.
No RECALCULATING, no attempt to make me do a U-turn, NOTHING. This
caused me to miss a turn because I thought it was still ahead of me
instead of RIGHT HERE NOW. It did this several times during this
300-mile trip.
2. It skipped a freeway interchange (OH SHIT THAT WAS THE 605 TURNOFF!)
and routed me up 14 miles of surface streets instead. No way to find
out if there was a good reason or not. It's not like I can actually
read the 'next turn' info while I'm driving in the dark, and it's
previously ALWAYS favored the 605 over other possibilities.
3. On a previous trip it sent me on a useless loop through a
residential neighborhood before it put me right back at the start of the
loop and told me how to REALLY get on the freeway.

I'd forgotten about being on I-60W when it shunted me off to the I-57N
offramp and then back on to the I-60; fortunately it wasn't difficult.
I suppose I'll remember others...

4. It previously routed me via a much longer freeway trip plus 20 miles
of surface streets (which I ignored) to apparently route me around what
I found to be NO TRAFFIC AT ALL on the most direct route.
5. "Shortest time" and "shortest distance" aren't enough choices. I
want one for "maximize freeway travel".
My previous Nuvi routed me through somebody's driveway and down a couple
of thousand feet to the bottom of the mountain. Twice. The bitch
seemed pretty snippy about it when I didn't follow her instructions.
There have been other inexplicable nastinesses with both Garmins. Would
I be better off with a Magellan or TomTom? I'll NEVER buy another
Garmin device ever. EVER.

Yesterday's glitch: Heading down to San Diego on I-57S to join I-5S in
the carpool lane. It tells me to go west on I-91. I figure OK, maybe
it knows something, let's give it a shot, and cross over maybe 5 lanes
of traffic. As I'm in the 91W lane and very nearly at the actual curve
it tells me to keep left on I57. SHIT! I managed to get out of the
I-91 off-ramp -- barely -- and then have to cross back 4 or 5 traffic
lanes to the carpool lane. No idea what the purpose of that exercise
was, except possibly to cause a serious multi-car crash.
I'm going to fire up the windows machine and do what I need to do to
update the firmware, but if that doesn't make a difference the next time
I use it I'm going to demand my money back from Garmin due to
unsuitability for the intended purpose. Enough is enough.

Took at least half an hour to install Garmin Express. Now it says it's
going to take 3+ hours to install the software+map updates. WTF? Just
how much memory is in this damn thing? I can run a 300GB full backup to
a USB2 drive in perhaps 8 hours. Dear lord PLEASE don't have a power
outage today...
--
Cheers, Bev
=============================================================
My house isn't a pigsty, it's an Immunity Enhancement Center.

I have a 2455LMT, but I feel your pain! It's right 98% of the time, but be on the vigil about the other 2%.

Bought it (two of them; one for each car) a few months ago. The rule of thumb is when driving ANY strange route, keep at or under the speed limit, and always slow down whenever it's not gut-correct.

Ange

[The Real Bev]

Post by Angelo Campanella

Post by The Real Bev

1. When I chose a different route it just stopped working and
sulked. No RECALCULATING, no attempt to make me do a U-turn,
NOTHING. This caused me to miss a turn because I thought it
was still ahead of me instead of RIGHT HERE NOW. It did this
several times during this 300-mile trip.
2. It skipped a freeway interchange (OH SHIT THAT WAS THE 605
TURNOFF!) and routed me up 14 miles of surface streets instead.
No way to find out if there was a good reason or not. It's not
like I can actually read the 'next turn' info while I'm driving
in the dark, and it's previously ALWAYS favored the 605 over
other possibilities.
3. On a previous trip it sent me on a useless loop through a
residential neighborhood before it put me right back at the
start of the loop and told me how to REALLY get on the
freeway.

I'd forgotten about being on I-60W when it shunted me off to the
I-57N offramp and then back on to the I-60; fortunately it wasn't
difficult. I suppose I'll remember others...

4. It previously routed me via a much longer freeway trip plus
20 miles of surface streets (which I ignored) to apparently
route me around what I found to be NO TRAFFIC AT ALL on the
most direct route.
5. "Shortest time" and "shortest distance" aren't enough
choices. I want one for "maximize freeway travel".
My previous Nuvi routed me through somebody's driveway and down
a couple of thousand feet to the bottom of the mountain.
Twice. The bitch seemed pretty snippy about it when I didn't
follow her instructions.
There have been other inexplicable nastinesses with both
Garmins. Would I be better off with a Magellan or TomTom?
I'll NEVER buy another Garmin device ever. EVER.

Yesterday's glitch: Heading down to San Diego on I-57S to join
I-5S in the carpool lane. It tells me to go west on I-91. I
figure OK, maybe it knows something, let's give it a shot, and
cross over maybe 5 lanes of traffic. As I'm in the 91W lane and
very nearly at the actual curve it tells me to keep left on I57.
SHIT! I managed to get out of the I-91 off-ramp -- barely -- and
then have to cross back 4 or 5 traffic lanes to the carpool lane.
No idea what the purpose of that exercise was, except possibly to
cause a serious multi-car crash.
I'm going to fire up the windows machine and do what I need to do
to update the firmware, but if that doesn't make a difference the
next time I use it I'm going to demand my money back from Garmin
due to unsuitability for the intended purpose. Enough is
enough.

Took at least half an hour to install Garmin Express. Now it says
it's going to take 3+ hours to install the software+map updates.
WTF? Just how much memory is in this damn thing? I can run a
300GB full backup to a USB2 drive in perhaps 8 hours. Dear lord
PLEASE don't have a power outage today...

I have a 2455LMT, but I feel your pain! It's right 98% of the time,
but be on the vigil about the other 2%.
Bought it (two of them; one for each car) a few months ago. The rule
of thumb is when driving ANY strange route, keep at or under the
speed limit, and always slow down whenever it's not gut-correct.

This wasn't a strange route, though. It always wants us to use I-91.
No idea why. This time we thought we'd give it a shot. Bribery,
corruption or downright pure evil are all possibilities.

When I worked at Magellan (1991-95) our units were better than Garmin's.
The better ones were roughly the size and weight of bricks and cost
$2K -- they were just coming out with smaller hand-held models when I
left. A decade later I first bought a Magellan, but returned it because
it couldn't find the Sears store 100 yards away. I bought the first
Garmin a week later because it was on sale. I bought the second one
because I already had (from a yard sale, not new -- I'm cheap, but not
crazy) the beanbag-like mount for the Garmin. There won't be a third.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Post by The Real Bev
A decade later I first bought a Magellan, but returned it because
it couldn't find the Sears store 100 yards away. I bought the first
Garmin a week later because it was on sale. I bought the second one
because I already had (from a yard sale, not new -- I'm cheap, but not
crazy) the beanbag-like mount for the Garmin. There won't be a third.

I doubt any will ever be perfect. Computers don't work like the human
brain making more logical decisions about routes.

My last two car have had built in nav so the only reason to keep the
Garmin is for Europe. Present car uses Google maps and works well.

[Wade Garrett]

Post by Ed Pawlowski

Post by The Real Bev
A decade later I first bought a Magellan, but returned it because
it couldn't find the Sears store 100 yards away. I bought the first
Garmin a week later because it was on sale. I bought the second one
because I already had (from a yard sale, not new -- I'm cheap, but not
crazy) the beanbag-like mount for the Garmin. There won't be a third.

I doubt any will ever be perfect. Computers don't work like the human
brain making more logical decisions about routes.
My last two car have had built in nav so the only reason to keep the
Garmin is for Europe. Present car uses Google maps and works well.

I avoid built-in Navigation systems in new car purchases. You save
around two grand on the purchase price for the "NAV bundle" plus you
don't get ripped off shelling out $150-$175 annually for map updates.

That update charge is what really frosts me!

[Ed Pawlowski]

Post by Wade Garrett

Post by Ed Pawlowski
My last two car have had built in nav so the only reason to keep the
Garmin is for Europe. Present car uses Google maps and works well.

I avoid built-in Navigation systems in new car purchases. You save
around two grand on the purchase price for the "NAV bundle" plus you
don't get ripped off shelling out $150-$175 annually for map updates.
That update charge is what really frosts me!

Comes as part of the standard equipment on my Genesis. Only choice is
to get a larger display and HUD as part of the Ultimate package. I did
since I wanted the rest of the packages.
As for updated maps, last time I paid $79 for a special the dealer had.
I don't get them every year either.

[Patty Winter]

Post by Wade Garrett
I avoid built-in Navigation systems in new car purchases. You save
around two grand on the purchase price for the "NAV bundle" plus you
don't get ripped off shelling out $150-$175 annually for map updates.

Amen! I am so glad that I didn't get the nav system in my new Subaru.
I had originally planned to get an after-market system, but once I
realized how useful and versatile my iPad mini was for navigation,
I didn't buy anything to install in the car.


Patty

[Ed Pawlowski]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Wade Garrett
I avoid built-in Navigation systems in new car purchases. You save
around two grand on the purchase price for the "NAV bundle" plus you
don't get ripped off shelling out $150-$175 annually for map updates.

Amen! I am so glad that I didn't get the nav system in my new Subaru.
I had originally planned to get an after-market system, but once I
realized how useful and versatile my iPad mini was for navigation,
I didn't buy anything to install in the car.
Patty

Good if it works for you. Included in an option package on my car, I'm
sure i paid top dollar, but the 11" screen, plus the next turn in the
Heads Up Display sure is handy. I can find destinations at any computer
and send them to the car to use later.

[Wade Garrett]

Post by Ed Pawlowski

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Wade Garrett
I avoid built-in Navigation systems in new car purchases. You save
around two grand on the purchase price for the "NAV bundle" plus you
don't get ripped off shelling out $150-$175 annually for map updates.

Amen! I am so glad that I didn't get the nav system in my new Subaru.
I had originally planned to get an after-market system, but once I
realized how useful and versatile my iPad mini was for navigation,
I didn't buy anything to install in the car.
Patty

Good if it works for you. Included in an option package on my car, I'm
sure i paid top dollar, but the 11" screen, plus the next turn in the
Heads Up Display sure is handy. I can find destinations at any computer
and send them to the car to use later.

I kinda' miss the old days.

You knew where you were going and how to get there. And if you didn't,
you took a map out of the glove box and checked.

Also, you could always tell who was a real man because he could refold
the map perfectly on the original creases.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Wade Garrett

Post by Ed Pawlowski

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Wade Garrett
I avoid built-in Navigation systems in new car purchases. You save
around two grand on the purchase price for the "NAV bundle" plus you
don't get ripped off shelling out $150-$175 annually for map updates.

Amen! I am so glad that I didn't get the nav system in my new Subaru.
I had originally planned to get an after-market system, but once I
realized how useful and versatile my iPad mini was for navigation,
I didn't buy anything to install in the car.

Good if it works for you. Included in an option package on my car, I'm
sure i paid top dollar, but the 11" screen, plus the next turn in the
Heads Up Display sure is handy. I can find destinations at any computer
and send them to the car to use later.

The big screens on the pre-installed ones are nice, but I still don't
want to take my eyes off the road long enough to look and understand
what I'm seeing.

Post by Wade Garrett
I kinda' miss the old days.
You knew where you were going and how to get there. And if you didn't,
you took a map out of the glove box and checked.

We probably have 50 pounds of maps from The Old Days when we did a lot
of traveling and each gas stop meant the kids ran in to the office and
grabbed one each of whatever maps were available.

Post by Wade Garrett
Also, you could always tell who was a real man because he could refold
the map perfectly on the original creases.

Or a real woman or a real child :-) I still carry Thomas Guides. If
I'm going somewhere I haven't been I look at google maps on my computer
and do sanity checks. What I really want the GPS for is to tell me when
a turnoff is coming. The difference between 3 miles and 20 miles is
significant :-)

[Howard Lester]

Or a real woman or a real child :-) I still carry Thomas Guides. If I'm
going somewhere I haven't been I look at google maps on my computer and do
sanity checks. What I really want the GPS for is to tell me when a
turnoff is coming. The difference between 3 miles and 20 miles is
significant :-)

Yes, it's good to know when a turnoff is coming. You still have to look at
the screen to match what the voice is saying. But here's a good one I
encountered yesterday after changing the voice of the entity making the
announcements from Samantha (nasty lady) to Amy, who is a lot more
pleasant -- but short on specifics. I'm driving down the interstate and
ready for my exit, and Amy says, "Leave the highway."

OK, how? Fly? Drive through the guardrail and down the hill? OH, you must
mean I am to drive the car to the off-ramp where the exit road is...
Gotcha....

I'll try one of the male voices.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Howard Lester

Or a real woman or a real child :-) I still carry Thomas Guides. If I'm
going somewhere I haven't been I look at google maps on my computer and do
sanity checks. What I really want the GPS for is to tell me when a
turnoff is coming. The difference between 3 miles and 20 miles is
significant :-)

Yes, it's good to know when a turnoff is coming. You still have to look at
the screen to match what the voice is saying. But here's a good one I
encountered yesterday after changing the voice of the entity making the
announcements from Samantha (nasty lady) to Amy, who is a lot more
pleasant -- but short on specifics. I'm driving down the interstate and
ready for my exit, and Amy says, "Leave the highway."
OK, how? Fly? Drive through the guardrail and down the hill? OH, you must
mean I am to drive the car to the off-ramp where the exit road is...
Gotcha....
I'll try one of the male voices.

I chose the one that seemed clearest. Darth Vader would be kind of
cool, though...

[Patty Winter]

Post by Howard Lester

What I really want the GPS for is to tell me when a
turnoff is coming. The difference between 3 miles and 20 miles is
significant :-)

Yes, it's good to know when a turnoff is coming. You still have to look at
the screen to match what the voice is saying.

Why?

Post by Howard Lester
But here's a good one I
encountered yesterday after changing the voice of the entity making the
announcements from Samantha (nasty lady) to Amy, who is a lot more
pleasant -- but short on specifics. I'm driving down the interstate and
ready for my exit, and Amy says, "Leave the highway."
OK, how? Fly? Drive through the guardrail and down the hill? OH, you must
mean I am to drive the car to the off-ramp where the exit road is...
Gotcha....

:-)

Post by Howard Lester
I'll try one of the male voices.

They won't be any more helpful, will they?


Patty

[Howard Lester]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Howard Lester
Yes, it's good to know when a turnoff is coming. You still have to look at
the screen to match what the voice is saying.

Why?

Hi Patty,

Because sometimes, when there are two possible turns close together, it's
the *second* right that I am to turn onto. I once had this issue (and made a
serious mistake) listening only to the voice. I took the turn as supposedly
directed, and it was the wrong one. Down the interstate I went, not having a
clue what to do next.

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Howard Lester
I'll try one of the male voices.

They won't be any more helpful, will they?

It is very possible they will. (I've not yet tried them.) These voices
emanate from the NAV system in my new Subaru Legacy. (You're familiar with
the topic.) :-) Samantha, as gruff as she is, will say, "In one thousand
feet, turn left on R T thirty-two, route thirty-two." (Pretty annoying she
has to repeat herself.) Amy's directions for the same turn are "In eight
hundred feet, turn left." And don't forget her instructions to "leave the
highway," not to specifically tell me to take Exit 4. My Nuvi 2599 gives me
the best of both worlds, at least voice-wise, and, with the Nuvi positioned
on the Garmin beanbag set on the far left side of the dash, I never have to
take my eyes off the road to see the map.

Howard

[Wade Garrett]

Post by Howard Lester

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Howard Lester
Yes, it's good to know when a turnoff is coming. You still have to look at
the screen to match what the voice is saying.

Why?

Hi Patty,
Because sometimes, when there are two possible turns close together,
it's the *second* right that I am to turn onto. I once had this issue
(and made a serious mistake) listening only to the voice. I took the
turn as supposedly directed, and it was the wrong one. Down the
interstate I went, not having a clue what to do next.

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Howard Lester
I'll try one of the male voices.

They won't be any more helpful, will they?

It is very possible they will. (I've not yet tried them.) These voices
emanate from the NAV system in my new Subaru Legacy. (You're familiar
with the topic.) :-) Samantha, as gruff as she is, will say, "In one
thousand feet, turn left on R T thirty-two, route thirty-two." (Pretty
annoying she has to repeat herself.) Amy's directions for the same turn
are "In eight hundred feet, turn left." And don't forget her
instructions to "leave the highway," not to specifically tell me to take
Exit 4. My Nuvi 2599 gives me the best of both worlds, at least
voice-wise, and, with the Nuvi positioned on the Garmin beanbag set on
the far left side of the dash, I never have to take my eyes off the road
to see the map.
Howard

One of my previous Nuvis insisted on calling I-285 "interstate two
hundred and eighty five".

[Ted H]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 11:35:20 -0400,

Post by Wade Garrett
One of my previous Nuvis insisted on calling I-285 "interstate
two hundred and eighty five".

And I had a rental unit that insisted Nebraska Highway 50 was
Highway 50 Northeast!

[Patty Winter]

Post by Howard Lester

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Howard Lester
Yes, it's good to know when a turnoff is coming. You still have to look at
the screen to match what the voice is saying.

Why?

Hi Patty,
Because sometimes, when there are two possible turns close together, it's
the *second* right that I am to turn onto.

Okay, yes, that makes sense. There's an expressway exit near me that's
like that--although both of the available streets are clearly marked.
Still, could be confusing.

Post by Howard Lester

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Howard Lester
I'll try one of the male voices.

They won't be any more helpful, will they?

It is very possible they will. (I've not yet tried them.)

But they'll be working from the same text, right?

Post by Howard Lester
These voices
emanate from the NAV system in my new Subaru Legacy. (You're familiar with
the topic.) :-)

:-) Yes, and I'm really glad that I didn't pay $3,000-$4,000 for the
nav upgrade package in my Outback! (For the edification of those not
on the Subaru newsgroup, you have to get a moonroof, too; that cost
isn't just for the nav system, but you have to buy the package.)

Post by Howard Lester
Samantha, as gruff as she is, will say, "In one thousand
feet, turn left on R T thirty-two, route thirty-two." (Pretty annoying she
has to repeat herself.) Amy's directions for the same turn are "In eight
hundred feet, turn left."

Wait--different voices use different text? I haven't run across that
before. Do the setup instructions give you more information about that?


Patty

[Owen McKenzie]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Howard Lester

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Howard Lester
Yes, it's good to know when a turnoff is coming. You still have to look at
the screen to match what the voice is saying.

Why?

Hi Patty,
Because sometimes, when there are two possible turns close together, it's
the *second* right that I am to turn onto.

Okay, yes, that makes sense. There's an expressway exit near me that's
like that--although both of the available streets are clearly marked.
Still, could be confusing.

Post by Howard Lester

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Howard Lester
I'll try one of the male voices.

They won't be any more helpful, will they?

It is very possible they will. (I've not yet tried them.)

But they'll be working from the same text, right?

Post by Howard Lester
These voices
emanate from the NAV system in my new Subaru Legacy. (You're familiar with
the topic.) :-)

:-) Yes, and I'm really glad that I didn't pay $3,000-$4,000 for the
nav upgrade package in my Outback! (For the edification of those not
on the Subaru newsgroup, you have to get a moonroof, too; that cost
isn't just for the nav system, but you have to buy the package.)

Post by Howard Lester
Samantha, as gruff as she is, will say, "In one thousand
feet, turn left on R T thirty-two, route thirty-two." (Pretty annoying she
has to repeat herself.) Amy's directions for the same turn are "In eight
hundred feet, turn left."

Wait--different voices use different text? I haven't run across that
before. Do the setup instructions give you more information about that?
Patty

There 2 different sets. One has specific directions like: "In 300 feet
turn left on 2nd Ave.", while the other set just says: "In 300 feet turn
left."

[Ed Pawlowski]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Howard Lester
These voices
emanate from the NAV system in my new Subaru Legacy. (You're familiar with
the topic.) :-)

:-) Yes, and I'm really glad that I didn't pay $3,000-$4,000 for the
nav upgrade package in my Outback! (For the edification of those not
on the Subaru newsgroup, you have to get a moonroof, too; that cost
isn't just for the nav system, but you have to buy the package.)

Cable companies do a great job of bundling crap stations with the one
you really want for an extra $19 a month. Auto makers do the same with
packages but they are in the thousands of dollars per package. To get a
better radio you have to get a moonroof, etc. Gets worse to get package
3 you have to get package 1 and 2 first.

I like all the goodies so they do make a nice profit on me.

FWIW, I used Truecar.com when buying my present car. I did not buy from
the Truecar dealers, but got a price match better than anything I could
do on my own. Worth a try next time you buy. $6500 off of sticker for
starters.

[Charlie Roberts]

On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 09:56:14 -0700, The Real Bev

Post by The Real Bev
Or a real woman or a real child :-) I still carry Thomas Guides. If
I'm going somewhere I haven't been I look at google maps on my computer
and do sanity checks. What I really want the GPS for is to tell me when
a turnoff is coming. The difference between 3 miles and 20 miles is
significant :-)

I still carry paper maps and look up the journey ahead of time.
But, there are limits when it comes to the 'final mile'. Given the
growth of suburbia, maps are tough to obtain -- and probably
get outdated. In fact, even in my hometown, there are places
I will not be able to go unless I go and get the latest map --
maybe. However, with updating, the GPS is very nice.

The other thing I like is being able to locate hotels, etc. when
on the road. There are many tucked away in suburbia, a bit
off the highway whose presence I would not be able to even
know, let alone reach, without a GPS. A classic example was
getting to a resort in the Schwarzwald, tucked away in the
hills. We would have had a tough time (not being all the good
in German!) trying to ask directions.

So, in some sense, it is close range tool for me. The big picture
need a big piece of paper :-)

[Ed Pawlowski]

Post by Wade Garrett
I kinda' miss the old days.
You knew where you were going and how to get there. And if you didn't,
you took a map out of the glove box and checked.
Also, you could always tell who was a real man because he could refold
the map perfectly on the original creases.

I've not 100% left them. I still look at maps and often take a route
aside from the GPS because I find it to be more interesting for some
reason.

GPS is really handy after you drove 150 miles across the state just
using known highways, it will get you to the exact location from the
exit ramp.

Knowing maps and general geography, I can drive from my house in CT to
Denver, CO not using the nav, but I'll turn it on the find 126 Main
Street.

[Bob Martin]

Post by Wade Garrett

Post by Ed Pawlowski

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Wade Garrett
I avoid built-in Navigation systems in new car purchases. You save
around two grand on the purchase price for the "NAV bundle" plus you
don't get ripped off shelling out $150-$175 annually for map updates.

Amen! I am so glad that I didn't get the nav system in my new Subaru.
I had originally planned to get an after-market system, but once I
realized how useful and versatile my iPad mini was for navigation,
I didn't buy anything to install in the car.
Patty

Good if it works for you. Included in an option package on my car, I'm
sure i paid top dollar, but the 11" screen, plus the next turn in the
Heads Up Display sure is handy. I can find destinations at any computer
and send them to the car to use later.

I kinda' miss the old days.
You knew where you were going and how to get there. And if you didn't,
you took a map out of the glove box and checked.
Also, you could always tell who was a real man because he could refold
the map perfectly on the original creases.

I mainly use my satnav for getting out of strange cities on the right side.