Discussion:
UTM obsolete?
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Heinrich Pfeifer
2012-07-17 13:58:56 UTC
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Hi,

I'm a Garmin GPS user for 16 years now, and I've learned that the UTM
grid is a nice thing for large scale maps.

Now I've got the newest Garmin in my collection - a Nüvi 2595LMT car
navigator.

Hard to believe: The Nüvi displays and accepts coordinates, but not in
UTM format. It only has the known three degree formats, plus a format
called "US National Grid" although I live in Europe and I bought it here.

Now I wonder if UTM is obsolete in the eyes of Garmin - or did they just
forget it?

And I wonder why they invented the new name "US National Grid" for the
well known MGRS format?

And I wonder if all the Geodetic Datum stuff was also obsolete - or did
they just forget it?
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Heinrich
mail: new<at>gartrip.de
Bert Hyman
2012-07-17 14:08:43 UTC
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Post by Heinrich Pfeifer
Now I've got the newest Garmin in my collection - a Nüvi 2595LMT car
navigator.
...
Now I wonder if UTM is obsolete in the eyes of Garmin - or did they
just forget it?
Maybe they don't think it's useful for driving your car on highways.
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN ***@iphouse.com
unknown
2012-07-17 15:07:18 UTC
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Post by Bert Hyman
Post by Heinrich Pfeifer
Now I've got the newest Garmin in my collection - a Nüvi 2595LMT car
navigator.
...
Now I wonder if UTM is obsolete in the eyes of Garmin - or did they
just forget it?
Maybe they don't think it's useful for driving your car on highways.
I think that you can be sure it would be more useful than any US grid for
use in Europe!

Mike.
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Bert Hyman
2012-07-17 15:18:39 UTC
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Post by Bert Hyman
Post by Heinrich Pfeifer
Now I've got the newest Garmin in my collection - a Nüvi 2595LMT car
navigator.
...
Now I wonder if UTM is obsolete in the eyes of Garmin - or did they
just forget it?
Maybe they don't think it's useful for driving your car on highways.
I think that you can be sure it would be more useful than any US grid
for use in Europe!
When using a GPSR in my car, I didn't have much use for ANY grid system.

Knowing my latitude and longitude, UTM point, Maidenhead grid or even
elevation was never of much interest or importance.

All I cared about was it telling me about my route and which way to
turn.

The only time I've ever had to use UTMs was in describing the outlines
of historic districts and properties for submission to the US National
Park Service for possible inclusion in the National Register of Historic
Places.
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN ***@iphouse.com
Sunshine
2012-07-17 16:57:18 UTC
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Post by Bert Hyman
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Post by Bert Hyman
Post by Heinrich Pfeifer
Now I've got the newest Garmin in my collection - a Nüvi 2595LMT car
navigator.
...
Now I wonder if UTM is obsolete in the eyes of Garmin - or did they
just forget it?
Maybe they don't think it's useful for driving your car on highways.
I think that you can be sure it would be more useful than any US grid
for use in Europe!
When using a GPSR in my car, I didn't have much use for ANY grid system.
Knowing my latitude and longitude, UTM point, Maidenhead grid or even
elevation was never of much interest or importance.
All I cared about was it telling me about my route and which way to
turn.
When traveling through areas with significant elevation changes, I
sometimes leave my Nuvi on the screen that shows elevation. I grew up
in the flattest part of the Midwest, so I guess elevation changes hold
some fascination to me. That almost certainly puts me in a minority,
though.
Heinrich Pfeifer
2012-07-18 12:46:52 UTC
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Post by Bert Hyman
Post by Heinrich Pfeifer
Now I've got the newest Garmin in my collection - a Nüvi 2595LMT car
navigator.
...
Now I wonder if UTM is obsolete in the eyes of Garmin - or did they
just forget it?
Maybe they don't think it's useful for driving your car on highways.
the world doesn't consist of highways only, at least here.

And I have a lot of topographic paper maps with UTM grid, for several
countries. When I locate an interesting destination on such a map, it's
convenient to enter the coordinates directly into the GPS, rather than
searching the same location on the map image of the GPS.
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Heinrich
mail: new<at>gartrip.de
Bert
2012-07-18 16:02:38 UTC
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Post by Heinrich Pfeifer
Post by Bert Hyman
Post by Heinrich Pfeifer
Now I've got the newest Garmin in my collection - a Nüvi 2595LMT car
navigator.
...
Now I wonder if UTM is obsolete in the eyes of Garmin - or did they
just forget it?
Maybe they don't think it's useful for driving your car on highways.
the world doesn't consist of highways only, at least here.
Sure, that's why I still have my 60CSx.

The OP was talking about a 2595 "car navigator."
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Sunshine
2012-07-18 17:16:58 UTC
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Post by Heinrich Pfeifer
Post by Bert Hyman
Post by Heinrich Pfeifer
Now I've got the newest Garmin in my collection - a Nüvi 2595LMT car
navigator.
...
Now I wonder if UTM is obsolete in the eyes of Garmin - or did they
just forget it?
Maybe they don't think it's useful for driving your car on highways.
the world doesn't consist of highways only, at least here.
Sure, that's why I still have my 60CSx.
The OP was talking about a 2595 "car navigator."
True. From the POV of a Nuvi, the world is a series of interconnected
roads. Sure, it has settings for walking and cycling, but by far it's
primary focus is road navigation.
Heinrich Pfeifer
2012-07-19 14:48:51 UTC
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Post by Heinrich Pfeifer
the world doesn't consist of highways only, at least here.
Sure, that's why I still have my 60CSx.
The OP was talking about a 2595 "car navigator."
True. From the POV of a Nuvi, the world is a series of interconnected
roads. Sure, it has settings for walking and cycling, but by far it's
primary focus is road navigation.
No doubt.

I am the OP, and I speak about driving my car to a location found on a
topo map - maybe a parking place in the woods, on a road but with no
street address. Isn't this road navigation as well?
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Heinrich
mail: new<at>gartrip.de
Sunshine
2012-07-19 15:41:53 UTC
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Post by Bert
Post by Heinrich Pfeifer
the world doesn't consist of highways only, at least here.
Sure, that's why I still have my 60CSx.
The OP was talking about a 2595 "car navigator."
True. From the POV of a Nuvi, the world is a series of interconnected
roads. Sure, it has settings for walking and cycling, but by far it's
primary focus is road navigation.
No doubt.
I am the OP, and I speak about driving my car to a location found on a
topo map - maybe a parking place in the woods, on a road but with no
street address. Isn't this road navigation as well?
Yes, it can be, and Nuvi's don't require a street address. The
complaint, if I understand correctly, is that the way the Nuvi devices
handle these situations (topo maps, entering coords, etc.) is less
than ideal, but again, it goes back to the Nuvi being more or less
dedicated, or at least highly targeted, to street navigation. Once you
get away from that, models such as the 60CSx are probably better
suited.
hamid hossaio
2017-12-09 03:49:54 UTC
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Post by Heinrich Pfeifer
Hi,
I'm a Garmin GPS user for 16 years now, and I've learned that the UTM
grid is a nice thing for large scale maps.
Now I've got the newest Garmin in my collection - a Nï¿œvi 2595LMT car
navigator.
Hard to believe: The Nï¿œvi displays and accepts coordinates, but not in
UTM format. It only has the known three degree formats, plus a format
called "US National Grid" although I live in Europe and I bought it here.
Now I wonder if UTM is obsolete in the eyes of Garmin - or did they just
forget it?
And I wonder why they invented the new name "US National Grid" for the
well known MGRS format?
And I wonder if all the Geodetic Datum stuff was also obsolete - or did
they just forget it?
--
Heinrich
mail: new<at>gartrip.de
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