This is the worst yet, boys and girls...

[The Real Bev]

A couple of months ago I updated the map etc. on my Nuvi 2595LMT. I
used it Thursday to search for a nearby Walmart. It obligingly found
several, and I headed to the nearest one -- which is now a thriving Home
Depot. After visiting the second one (the directions were accurate) I
asked it to find Costco. It directed me to what might have once been a
Costco, but was now a large empty building with a parking lot filled
with weeds.

WTF? I thought that the update would correct the insanity, but it just
created more. Maybe I'll get the energy to try another update tomorrow,
but turning on the windows machine and dealing with the Garmin shit
requires LOTS more determination than I can muster up right now.

When I finally get fed up, should I choose TomTom or Magellan? Not
willing to spend more than $150 (I'm willing to wait for a sale) and I
want at least a 7" screen.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 22:02:11 -0700, The Real Bev

Post by The Real Bev
A couple of months ago I updated the map etc. on my Nuvi 2595LMT. I
used it Thursday to search for a nearby Walmart. It obligingly found
several, and I headed to the nearest one -- which is now a thriving Home
Depot. After visiting the second one (the directions were accurate) I
asked it to find Costco. It directed me to what might have once been a
Costco, but was now a large empty building with a parking lot filled
with weeds.
WTF? I thought that the update would correct the insanity, but it just
created more.

Where does Garmin get the information? Yes, they got it wrong, but
perhaps others would too as businesses move quickly at times. If the
sources they use are not updated in a timely manner the POI will not
be either.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Ed Pawlowski
On Sat, 18 Jun 2016 22:02:11 -0700, The Real Bev

Post by The Real Bev
A couple of months ago I updated the map etc. on my Nuvi 2595LMT. I
used it Thursday to search for a nearby Walmart. It obligingly found
several, and I headed to the nearest one -- which is now a thriving Home
Depot. After visiting the second one (the directions were accurate) I
asked it to find Costco. It directed me to what might have once been a
Costco, but was now a large empty building with a parking lot filled
with weeds.
WTF? I thought that the update would correct the insanity, but it just
created more.

Where does Garmin get the information? Yes, they got it wrong, but
perhaps others would too as businesses move quickly at times. If the
sources they use are not updated in a timely manner the POI will not
be either.

It takes a long time for grass to grow in a parking lot and I just did
the update a few months ago. Costco actually did have a store there at
one time, but I have no idea when.

I looked at CoPilot just now, and it too has the wrong address. Curses,
there's no reliable way to find places unless you have wifi (or a data
plan) and can use google to find the actual address.

Who DOES provide this information?

[Peter H. Coffin]

Post by The Real Bev
It takes a long time for grass to grow in a parking lot and I just did
the update a few months ago. Costco actually did have a store there at
one time, but I have no idea when.
I looked at CoPilot just now, and it too has the wrong address. Curses,
there's no reliable way to find places unless you have wifi (or a data
plan) and can use google to find the actual address.
Who DOES provide this information?

Dun & Bradstreet, if they're looking for the most comprehensive
listings. They get info mostly from state tax and business records,
supplemented by information from corporate HQs that may contain ... er..
forward-looking locations or place that might contain legal addresses
that aren't where business is actually conducted. So, not always
accurate, not always timely, but still better than a lot of other
sources.

[Bert]

Post by The Real Bev
When I finally get fed up, should I choose TomTom or Magellan? Not
willing to spend more than $150 (I'm willing to wait for a sale) and I
want at least a 7" screen.

I find that Google's maps on my cell phone are more accurate than
anything Garmin puts out.

By far.

[Patty Winter]

Post by Bert
I find that Google's maps on my cell phone are more accurate than
anything Garmin puts out.
By far.

When I was getting ready to buy a new Subaru a couple of years ago,
I looked at after-market navigation systems, figuring I would add
one some time after buying the car. Then I realized that my iPad
mini with CoPilot GPS was doing a fine job. Sure, it isn't in my
dashboard, but I find the destination I want before I drive (either
among its POIs or via street address) and it gives me voice directions
to get there. Now that I have an iPhone, I can use Siri and the cell-
phone network to request routing to a new destination while I'm on
the road. I have full access to the latest POI information from Apple
and Google, as well as the latest street information, and I don't have
to depend on a single vendor to keep the information up to date. It's
been a much better solution for me than a dedicated GPS system.


Patty

[Bert]

Post by Patty Winter
Now that I have an iPhone, I can use Siri and the cell-
phone network to request routing to a new destination while I'm on
the road.

And, if you plan ahead, you can download and store the Google map data
and navigate without using your plan data.

If you travel in the same area frequently (and have phone storage to
spare), you can keep the data resident on your device and Google will
automatically update it when needed.

The only thing my GPSR has going for it is that its display is easier to
read in bright light.

[Patty Winter]

Post by Bert

Post by Patty Winter
Now that I have an iPhone, I can use Siri and the cell-
phone network to request routing to a new destination while I'm on
the road.

And, if you plan ahead, you can download and store the Google map data
and navigate without using your plan data.

CoPilot GPS has maps for all of the U.S. and Canada. (You get one free
region with the app, and I chose US/Can.) No need for a data connection
to get routed anywhere I want. I was very impressed a couple of years
ago when it even had the dirt roads in cottage country along the north
shore of Lake Erie in Ontario.

I also did some experimenting a while back and discovered that Apple
Maps stores a few hundred square miles at a time.


Patty

[The Real Bev]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Bert

Post by Patty Winter
Now that I have an iPhone, I can use Siri and the cell-
phone network to request routing to a new destination while I'm on
the road.

And, if you plan ahead, you can download and store the Google map data
and navigate without using your plan data.

No data plan on my phone. Google maps allows me to save something like a
10-mile-square area, which is useless.

Post by Patty Winter
CoPilot GPS has maps for all of the U.S. and Canada. (You get one free
region with the app, and I chose US/Can.) No need for a data connection
to get routed anywhere I want. I was very impressed a couple of years
ago when it even had the dirt roads in cottage country along the north
shore of Lake Erie in Ontario.

I like CoPilot. I have both it and OSMand, and the CP interface is
WAYYY cleaner. OTOH OSMand saves tracks. BUT since my phone does not
have a replaceable battery (finite number of recharge cycles) and both
programs are real battery hogs, I'd rather use the Garmin for this
purpose. It has ONE job...

Post by Patty Winter
I also did some experimenting a while back and discovered that Apple
Maps stores a few hundred square miles at a time.

I guess you get what you pay for :-)

[The Real Bev]

Post by The Real Bev

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Bert

Post by Patty Winter
Now that I have an iPhone, I can use Siri and the cell-
phone network to request routing to a new destination while I'm on
the road.

And, if you plan ahead, you can download and store the Google map data
and navigate without using your plan data.

No data plan on my phone. Google maps allows me to save something like a
10-mile-square area, which is useless.

Post by Patty Winter
CoPilot GPS has maps for all of the U.S. and Canada. (You get one free
region with the app, and I chose US/Can.) No need for a data connection
to get routed anywhere I want. I was very impressed a couple of years
ago when it even had the dirt roads in cottage country along the north
shore of Lake Erie in Ontario.

I like CoPilot. I have both it and OSMand, and the CP interface is
WAYYY cleaner. OTOH OSMand saves tracks. BUT since my phone does not
have a replaceable battery (finite number of recharge cycles) and both
programs are real battery hogs, I'd rather use the Garmin for this
purpose. It has ONE job...

Addendum: CoPilot has the same wrong address. You can't trust anybody...

Post by The Real Bev

Post by Patty Winter
I also did some experimenting a while back and discovered that Apple
Maps stores a few hundred square miles at a time.

I guess you get what you pay for :-)

...but mostly less :-(

[MR]

Post by The Real Bev

Post by The Real Bev

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Bert

Post by Patty Winter
Now that I have an iPhone, I can use Siri and the cell-
phone network to request routing to a new destination while I'm on
the road.

And, if you plan ahead, you can download and store the Google map data
and navigate without using your plan data.

No data plan on my phone. Google maps allows me to save something like a
10-mile-square area, which is useless.

Post by Patty Winter
CoPilot GPS has maps for all of the U.S. and Canada. (You get one free
region with the app, and I chose US/Can.) No need for a data connection
to get routed anywhere I want. I was very impressed a couple of years
ago when it even had the dirt roads in cottage country along the north
shore of Lake Erie in Ontario.

I like CoPilot. I have both it and OSMand, and the CP interface is
WAYYY cleaner. OTOH OSMand saves tracks. BUT since my phone does not
have a replaceable battery (finite number of recharge cycles) and both
programs are real battery hogs, I'd rather use the Garmin for this
purpose. It has ONE job...

Addendum: CoPilot has the same wrong address. You can't trust anybody...

Post by The Real Bev

Post by Patty Winter
I also did some experimenting a while back and discovered that Apple
Maps stores a few hundred square miles at a time.

I guess you get what you pay for :-)

...but mostly less :-(

I use the POI factory here; http://www.poi-factory.com/poifiles in my
2595lmt and find that the various places work out most times. We travel
the lower 48 in our RV and find the POI most helpful. If I am going
several miles out of way to get to a POI, I will call ahead just to
confirm they are where they are supposed to be.
Sometimes, like you say, Garmin is way behind on their POI's and if I
can't find it, I look to the POI files.
MR

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Post by The Real Bev

Post by The Real Bev

Post by Patty Winter

Post by Bert

Post by Patty Winter
Now that I have an iPhone, I can use Siri and the cell-
phone network to request routing to a new destination while I'm on
the road.

And, if you plan ahead, you can download and store the Google map data
and navigate without using your plan data.

No data plan on my phone. Google maps allows me to save something like a
10-mile-square area, which is useless.

Post by Patty Winter
CoPilot GPS has maps for all of the U.S. and Canada. (You get one free
region with the app, and I chose US/Can.) No need for a data connection
to get routed anywhere I want. I was very impressed a couple of years
ago when it even had the dirt roads in cottage country along the north
shore of Lake Erie in Ontario.

I like CoPilot. I have both it and OSMand, and the CP interface is
WAYYY cleaner. OTOH OSMand saves tracks. BUT since my phone does not
have a replaceable battery (finite number of recharge cycles) and both
programs are real battery hogs, I'd rather use the Garmin for this
purpose. It has ONE job...

Addendum: CoPilot has the same wrong address. You can't trust anybody...

Post by The Real Bev

Post by Patty Winter
I also did some experimenting a while back and discovered that Apple
Maps stores a few hundred square miles at a time.

I guess you get what you pay for :-)

...but mostly less :-(

I just updated the maps/software/whatever again. Took maybe an hour and
a half. It still shows the old Costco address instead of the new one,
but has the correct Walmart address.

[Bert]

Post by The Real Bev
I just updated the maps/software/whatever again. Took maybe an hour
and a half. It still shows the old Costco address instead of the new
one, but has the correct Walmart address.

I once found a spot on Garmin's Web site for reporting errors. I suppose
it's still there and if you've got a few minutes to spare, maybe you
could report what you find.

A few years ago, I reported an error in the layout of the ramps from the
exit road of the Norfolk airport and I-64. Probably just a coincidence,
but it was fixed in the next map release.

On the other hand, there's an intersection near my home where the map
software apparently doesn't think a left turn is allowed (there's a
traffic light and everything!). I can be sitting at that intersection
looking at the on ramp to I-35 and the GPSR will direct me to the next
interchange a couple of miles up the road. I reported that error
repeatedly to no avail.

Couldn't hurt. Might help.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Bert

Post by The Real Bev
I just updated the maps/software/whatever again. Took maybe an hour
and a half. It still shows the old Costco address instead of the new
one, but has the correct Walmart address.

I once found a spot on Garmin's Web site for reporting errors. I suppose
it's still there and if you've got a few minutes to spare, maybe you
could report what you find.

Based on the fact that the Garmins I've had for at least 5 years have
given a variety of screwy instructions, and assuming I'm not the only
one with a problem, reporting something like this is wasted effort. I
believe (don't actually know, just a guess) that Garmin and CoPilot use
the same maps, so complaining to Garmin is doubly wasted effort.

The screwy instructions are a worse problem, and my next GPS will be a
Magellan or TomTom.

Post by Bert
A few years ago, I reported an error in the layout of the ramps from the
exit road of the Norfolk airport and I-64. Probably just a coincidence,
but it was fixed in the next map release.
On the other hand, there's an intersection near my home where the map
software apparently doesn't think a left turn is allowed (there's a
traffic light and everything!). I can be sitting at that intersection
looking at the on ramp to I-35 and the GPSR will direct me to the next
interchange a couple of miles up the road. I reported that error
repeatedly to no avail.

A recent Google instruction gave a half-mile u-turned route in order to
-- I assume -- avoid what it thought was no-right-turn sign at an
intersection. The satellite view clearly showed a separate right turn
lane there. I guess I can't blame Garmin if everybody else is equally
boneheaded, but I will :-)

Post by Bert
Couldn't hurt. Might help.

Tired of pounding sand down a rathole :-(

[Stephen H. Fischer]

Have you looked at the DeLorme's PN-60?

You can add new roads, report map errors and get them to stick (It was way
out in the sticks!).

Entire USA and Canada maps included and you can add Sat photos and other
maps like Coast Guard, Hunting areas.

I am not keeping up with all that you can do. The on board routing is rotten
as I seldom use freeways. I create the routes, add USFS campgrounds and so
on on my computer before uploading them to the GPS.

https://shop.delorme.com/OA_HTML/DELibeCCtdItemDetail.jsp?item=30538

If you travel near the wilderness you will have the routes displayed that
Garmin may not have.

Hiking, that's what it was designed for, you can even call for help using a
sat with one model.

SHF

Post by The Real Bev

Post by Bert

Post by The Real Bev
I just updated the maps/software/whatever again. Took maybe an hour
and a half. It still shows the old Costco address instead of the new
one, but has the correct Walmart address.

I once found a spot on Garmin's Web site for reporting errors. I suppose
it's still there and if you've got a few minutes to spare, maybe you
could report what you find.

Based on the fact that the Garmins I've had for at least 5 years have
given a variety of screwy instructions, and assuming I'm not the only one
with a problem, reporting something like this is wasted effort. I believe
(don't actually know, just a guess) that Garmin and CoPilot use the same
maps, so complaining to Garmin is doubly wasted effort.
The screwy instructions are a worse problem, and my next GPS will be a
Magellan or TomTom.

Post by Bert
A few years ago, I reported an error in the layout of the ramps from the
exit road of the Norfolk airport and I-64. Probably just a coincidence,
but it was fixed in the next map release.
On the other hand, there's an intersection near my home where the map
software apparently doesn't think a left turn is allowed (there's a
traffic light and everything!). I can be sitting at that intersection
looking at the on ramp to I-35 and the GPSR will direct me to the next
interchange a couple of miles up the road. I reported that error
repeatedly to no avail.

A recent Google instruction gave a half-mile u-turned route in order to --
I assume -- avoid what it thought was no-right-turn sign at an
intersection. The satellite view clearly showed a separate right turn
lane there. I guess I can't blame Garmin if everybody else is equally
boneheaded, but I will :-)

Post by Bert
Couldn't hurt. Might help.

Tired of pounding sand down a rathole :-(
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Bev
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[Ed Pawlowski]

Post by The Real Bev
The screwy instructions are a worse problem, and my next GPS will be a
Magellan or TomTom.

Check before you jump ship. A friend bought a Garmin because he was
tired of the poor instructions on his Tom Tom. May be different as it
was a couple of years ago.

Considering the miles of streets in the world and number of POIs, I'd
say they all have flaws, possibly some more than others.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Ed Pawlowski

Post by The Real Bev
The screwy instructions are a worse problem, and my next GPS will be a
Magellan or TomTom.

Check before you jump ship. A friend bought a Garmin because he was
tired of the poor instructions on his Tom Tom. May be different as it
was a couple of years ago.
Considering the miles of streets in the world and number of POIs, I'd
say they all have flaws, possibly some more than others.

First law of cybernetic entomology: There's always one more bug.
Perhaps I should use the Garmin, CoPilot AND OSMand and take an average.
Back in the dark ages when I worked at Magellan you could get
tremendous accuracy by buying TWO units ($2K, roughly the size and
weight of a brick) and doing some differential thingy.

The Delorme Stephen mentioned has a small screen. I have rotten eyes.
I've had a hand-held one before, and it was fairly useless. I'd like
bigger than 7".

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:13:53 -0700, The Real Bev

Post by The Real Bev
First law of cybernetic entomology: There's always one more bug.
Perhaps I should use the Garmin, CoPilot AND OSMand and take an average.
Back in the dark ages when I worked at Magellan you could get
tremendous accuracy by buying TWO units ($2K, roughly the size and
weight of a brick) and doing some differential thingy.
The Delorme Stephen mentioned has a small screen. I have rotten eyes.
I've had a hand-held one before, and it was fairly useless. I'd like
bigger than 7".

Yes, I have a 9.2" in my car and it is much nicer to see. I also have
the next turn and distance showing in the Heads Up Display.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Ed Pawlowski
On Thu, 23 Jun 2016 21:13:53 -07

Post by The Real Bev
First law of cybernetic entomology: There's always one more bug.
Perhaps I should use the Garmin, CoPilot AND OSMand and take an average.
Back in the dark ages when I worked at Magellan you could get
tremendous accuracy by buying TWO units ($2K, roughly the size and
weight of a brick) and doing some differential thingy.
The Delorme Stephen mentioned has a small screen. I have rotten eyes.
I've had a hand-held one before, and it was fairly useless. I'd like
bigger than 7".

Yes, I have a 9.2" in my car and it is much nicer to see. I also have
the next turn and distance showing in the Heads Up Display.

Projected on your windshield? Cool!

[Bert]

Post by The Real Bev
A recent Google instruction gave a half-mile u-turned route in order
to -- I assume -- avoid what it thought was no-right-turn sign at an
intersection. The satellite view clearly showed a separate right turn
lane there. I guess I can't blame Garmin if everybody else is equally
boneheaded, but I will :-)

Since Google bought Waze, I suspect that Waze's "crowd sourced" updates
will be integrated into Google's maps, but with a bit of oversight, I'd
hope.

I do know that Google's maps are apparently up to date with all the
various route closures around here as the very short road construction
season roars on.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Bert

Post by The Real Bev
A recent Google instruction gave a half-mile u-turned route in order
to -- I assume -- avoid what it thought was no-right-turn sign at an
intersection. The satellite view clearly showed a separate right turn
lane there. I guess I can't blame Garmin if everybody else is equally
boneheaded, but I will :-)

Since Google bought Waze, I suspect that Waze's "crowd sourced" updates
will be integrated into Google's maps, but with a bit of oversight, I'd
hope.
I do know that Google's maps are apparently up to date with all the
various route closures around here as the very short road construction
season roars on.

Google still has the old Costco (weeds in parking lot) address.

[Bert]

Post by The Real Bev
Google still has the old Costco (weeds in parking lot) address.

Maybe Costco never filed a change of address form :-)

They also might still own the building.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Bert

Post by The Real Bev
Google still has the old Costco (weeds in parking lot) address.

Maybe Costco never filed a change of address form :-)
They also might still own the building.

At this point I'm wondering if I might be wrong. The Costco site lists
an address on Victory in Woodland Hills. The dead one was also on
Victory in Woodland Hills. I'm totally unfamiliar with the area so I
can't tell exactly what I did.

Only actual facts: last Thursday I was given two wrong locations :-(

[Patty Winter]

Post by The Real Bev
At this point I'm wondering if I might be wrong. The Costco site lists
an address on Victory in Woodland Hills. The dead one was also on
Victory in Woodland Hills. I'm totally unfamiliar with the area so I
can't tell exactly what I did.

Does Google Street View offer any insight into what's going on in
that area?


Patty

[The Real Bev]

Post by Patty Winter

Post by The Real Bev
At this point I'm wondering if I might be wrong. The Costco site lists
an address on Victory in Woodland Hills. The dead one was also on
Victory in Woodland Hills. I'm totally unfamiliar with the area so I
can't tell exactly what I did.

Does Google Street View offer any insight into what's going on in
that area?

That's what I was looking at. I found a building that could have been
the wrong address, but I remember a bigger parking lot. I remember a
red stripe around the building like Costco's always have, but the
building was way too small for a Costco.

The wrongness was my opinion that both the Garmin and CoPilot had the
same wrong address -- it appears to be the right address and I, of
course, have no way of knowing the address it sent me to before
yesterday's update. Feh.

The mind is a terrible thing to lose :-(

[Reinhard Zwirner]

Bert schrieb:

[...]

Post by Bert
On the other hand, there's an intersection near my home where the map
software apparently doesn't think a left turn is allowed (there's a
traffic light and everything!). I can be sitting at that intersection
looking at the on ramp to I-35 and the GPSR will direct me to the next
interchange a couple of miles up the road. I reported that error
repeatedly to no avail.

I think Garmin is not to blame in this case. Garmin uses maps offered
be Here. That's - like OSM - an open street project.

I have been wondering why my Nüvi always led me on a detour to a
certain address. In the end I found out that somebody had incorrectly
marked one part of the direct way as "Local vehicular traffic only".
Of course, that has been corrected at once. Unfortunately it will
take some time until Garmin will use this map version for an update.

Just join the Here community and correct wrong road details by
yourself using <https://mapcreator.here.com/>.

HTH, best regards

Reinhard

[Charlie Roberts]

On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 21:08:05 +0200, Reinhard Zwirner

Post by Reinhard Zwirner
Just join the Here community and correct wrong road details by
yourself using <https://mapcreator.here.com/>.
HTH, best regards
Reinhard

Reinhard,

I looked at the site, but could not find figure out how one can
correct things. Can you say something about that?

I assume you have to sign up. But, what beyond that?

thanks

[Reinhard Zwirner]

Post by Charlie Roberts
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 21:08:05 +0200, Reinhard Zwirner

Post by Reinhard Zwirner
Just join the Here community and correct wrong road details by
yourself using <https://mapcreator.here.com/>.
HTH, best regards
Reinhard

Reinhard,
I looked at the site, but could not find figure out how one can
correct things. Can you say something about that?
I assume you have to sign up. But, what beyond that?
thanks

Hallo Charlie,

There are two steps:

1. You have to sign up; then you may _propose_ corrections and/or
additions.

2. You can apply for becoming an editor. Then you can correct/add
streets/paths etc. by yourself. Beware: there is an omniscient
authority (at least it thinks so) which may overrule your alterations
although one should think that an editor knows his direct environment
better than some anonymous authority. This happened to me a few
times. With the help of regional "coordinators" my changes were restored.

3. It takes time: First Here has to provide an updated version (every
six months?). Then this new version has to be implemented by Garmin
into its map software. A lot of patience will be needed.

HTH,
best regards

Reinhard

[Marc Auslander]

Post by The Real Bev
No data plan on my phone. Google maps allows me to save something like
a 10-mile-square area, which is useless.

Have you tried lately. Google maps on my phone will store, for
example, most of the NY metro area, the Washington DC metro area, etc.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Marc Auslander

Post by The Real Bev
No data plan on my phone. Google maps allows me to save something like
a 10-mile-square area, which is useless.

Have you tried lately. Google maps on my phone will store, for
example, most of the NY metro area, the Washington DC metro area, etc.

A couple of months ago, maybe. DC is roughly 10 miles x 10 miles, which
is too small an area. Something the size of a state would be useful.

[Bert]

Post by The Real Bev
No data plan on my phone. Google maps allows me to save something like
a 10-mile-square area, which is useless.

I don't know the actual area involved, but I was able to save all of
Sanibel & Captiva Islands, and then separately, the area from Fort Myers
to Naples Florida, which was enough to cover our vacation travels.

I wasn't worried about using up my data allotment; it's just that
T-Mobile has terrible coverage down there, regardless of what their
coverage maps say.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Bert

Post by The Real Bev
No data plan on my phone. Google maps allows me to save something like
a 10-mile-square area, which is useless.

I don't know the actual area involved, but I was able to save all of
Sanibel & Captiva Islands, and then separately, the area from Fort Myers
to Naples Florida, which was enough to cover our vacation travels.
I wasn't worried about using up my data allotment; it's just that
T-Mobile has terrible coverage down there, regardless of what their
coverage maps say.

I've got an old T-mobile $10/year plan, which is good enough for my
needs. Coverage is good along freeways and in cities, but not in
less-populated areas -- like the local ski slope :-(

[Bert]

Post by The Real Bev
I've got an old T-mobile $10/year plan, which is good enough for my
needs. Coverage is good along freeways and in cities, but not in
less-populated areas -- like the local ski slope :-(

My wife's happy with that too, continuing to use her Moto V3 flip phone.

T-Mobile is expanding their coverage in rural areas (like most of
western and northern Minnesota) on Band 12 (700MHz).

Not a lot of phones operate there, but more are coming.

[The Real Bev]

Post by Bert

Post by The Real Bev
I've got an old T-mobile $10/year plan, which is good enough for my
needs. Coverage is good along freeways and in cities, but not in
less-populated areas -- like the local ski slope :-(

My wife's happy with that too, continuing to use her Moto V3 flip phone.

They don't offer it any more, but we're grandfathered in. I live in
fear of its termination.

Post by Bert
T-Mobile is expanding their coverage in rural areas (like most of
western and northern Minnesota) on Band 12 (700MHz).
Not a lot of phones operate there, but more are coming.

[David Lesher]

Post by The Real Bev

Post by Bert

Post by The Real Bev
I've got an old T-mobile $10/year plan, which is good enough for my
needs. Coverage is good along freeways and in cities, but not in
less-populated areas -- like the local ski slope :-(

My wife's happy with that too, continuing to use her Moto V3 flip phone.

They don't offer it any more, but we're grandfathered in. I live in
fear of its termination.

I also have a grandfathered PAGO plan, and I'm keeping it....