Discussion:
Nuvi 2547: Specifying a route with Trip Planner
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Maurice
2016-05-29 18:17:15 UTC
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Using Apps/Trip Planner I've been trying to specify a route from A to B
with detours via specific motorways rather than the shortest direct A->B
route.

The only way I can find is to give intermediate town names along the
required
route - which works, but at each one it tries to take me INTO the place
instead of keeping on the motorway ROUND it.
The result is that on approaching one of the 'via' towns one has to try
to
temporarily ignore the satnav and figure out from road signs what the
ongoing route is, until the thing 'recalculates'.

My old TomTom had the concept of 'waypoints' for this purpose, but I
can't
find the Garmin equivalent.

Is there one?
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z
2016-05-29 19:39:22 UTC
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Post by Maurice
Using Apps/Trip Planner I've been trying to specify a route from A to B
with detours via specific motorways rather than the shortest direct A->B
route.
The only way I can find is to give intermediate town names along the
required
route - which works, but at each one it tries to take me INTO the place
instead of keeping on the motorway ROUND it.
The result is that on approaching one of the 'via' towns one has to try
to
temporarily ignore the satnav and figure out from road signs what the
ongoing route is, until the thing 'recalculates'.
My old TomTom had the concept of 'waypoints' for this purpose, but I
can't
find the Garmin equivalent.
Is there one?
The only way I've been able to accomplish what you're attempting is to
enter latitude/longitude at the waypoint.

z
Maurice
2016-05-30 10:53:54 UTC
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Post by z
The only way I've been able to accomplish what you're attempting is to
enter latitude/longitude at the waypoint.
No simple way of acquiring accurate co-ords, and not even sure how would
use
them!

An exception was a few years ago when we were aiming for a hotel in a
forest
in a remote part of Alsace.
Fortunately the hotel web site gave their GPS co-ords. which my old
TomTom
happily used to take us along what eventually became cart tracks,
directly to
the front door!
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Robert Small
2016-05-29 22:50:17 UTC
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Post by Maurice
Using Apps/Trip Planner I've been trying to specify a route from A to B
with detours via specific motorways rather than the shortest direct A->B
route.
The only way I can find is to give intermediate town names along the
required
route - which works, but at each one it tries to take me INTO the place
instead of keeping on the motorway ROUND it.
The result is that on approaching one of the 'via' towns one has to try
to
temporarily ignore the satnav and figure out from road signs what the
ongoing route is, until the thing 'recalculates'.
My old TomTom had the concept of 'waypoints' for this purpose, but I
can't
find the Garmin equivalent.
Is there one?
What I would find acceptable is if there was a way to skip a way point
and procedd (recalculating if necessay) to the next way point.

So when I was some distance from the intermediate town (say 8kms or 5
miles) I could simply say "go to the next way point".

Can that be done?
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z
2016-05-29 23:18:51 UTC
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Post by Robert Small
Post by Maurice
Using Apps/Trip Planner I've been trying to specify a route from A to B
with detours via specific motorways rather than the shortest direct A->B
route.
The only way I can find is to give intermediate town names along the
required
route - which works, but at each one it tries to take me INTO the place
instead of keeping on the motorway ROUND it.
The result is that on approaching one of the 'via' towns one has to try
to
temporarily ignore the satnav and figure out from road signs what the
ongoing route is, until the thing 'recalculates'.
My old TomTom had the concept of 'waypoints' for this purpose, but I
can't
find the Garmin equivalent.
Is there one?
What I would find acceptable is if there was a way to skip a way point
and procedd (recalculating if necessay) to the next way point.
So when I was some distance from the intermediate town (say 8kms or 5
miles) I could simply say "go to the next way point".
Can that be done?
I simply add Lat/Long at known intersections or Interstate Exit #'s so
Garmin "knows" I reached the next "destination" & is off to the next one.
Many times when I have have multiple stops to make in one day, I add them
in according to the order I reach them + my home as the last stop. That way
I never have to "reset" during the day, yet I have all the info in Garmin
I'll require.
Maurice
2016-05-30 10:58:52 UTC
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Post by Robert Small
Can that be done?
The problem would be recognising *when* you are at the position where
you
want to skip the waypoint.
If you know that, then you can just steer by signreading until the
satnav
realises you have gone off-route and re-calculates.
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The Real Bev
2016-05-30 18:20:09 UTC
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Post by Maurice
Post by Robert Small
Can that be done?
The problem would be recognising *when* you are at the position
where you want to skip the waypoint. If you know that, then you can
just steer by signreading until the satnav realises you have gone
off-route and re-calculates.
My 2595 generally does NOT say 'Reclaculating' in that snotty voice when
I deviate from the previous route. Sometimes it just stops working at
all. Is this normal Garmin behavior now?
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Maurice
2016-05-31 10:54:43 UTC
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Post by The Real Bev
My 2595 generally does NOT say 'Reclaculating' in that snotty voice when
I deviate from the previous route
My old TomTom did, but the Nuvi 2547 just gets on with it.
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The Real Bev
2016-05-31 16:37:35 UTC
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Post by Maurice
Post by The Real Bev
My 2595 generally does NOT say 'Reclaculating' in that snotty voice when
I deviate from the previous route
My old TomTom did, but the Nuvi 2547 just gets on with it.
Mine frequently demands that I make a u-turn and return to the PROPER
route, which I don't remember EVER wanting to do. After a number of
refusals to obey it just sulks and shuts down. Not always, of course,
just often enough to be untrustworthy.

I'll never buy another Garmin. Two is enough.
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p***@never.here
2016-06-01 08:34:35 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2016 09:37:35 -0700, The Real Bev
Post by The Real Bev
Post by Maurice
Post by The Real Bev
My 2595 generally does NOT say 'Reclaculating' in that snotty voice when
I deviate from the previous route
My old TomTom did, but the Nuvi 2547 just gets on with it.
Mine frequently demands that I make a u-turn and return to the PROPER
route,
As does my 2595.
Post by The Real Bev
which I don't remember EVER wanting to do. After a number of
refusals to obey it just sulks and shuts down.
Mine has never done that. It eventually find the route I want and all
is sweetness and light once again<g>
Post by The Real Bev
I'll never buy another Garmin. Two is enough.
This is my second and don't anticipate having to buy a third any time
soon.
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The Real Bev
2016-06-01 16:24:17 UTC
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Post by The Real Bev
Post by Maurice
Post by The Real Bev
My 2595 generally does NOT say 'Reclaculating' in that snotty voice when
I deviate from the previous route
My old TomTom did, but the Nuvi 2547 just gets on with it.
Mine frequently demands that I make a u-turn and return to the PROPER
route,
As does my 2595.
Post by The Real Bev
which I don't remember EVER wanting to do. After a number of
refusals to obey it just sulks and shuts down.
Mine has never done that. It eventually find the route I want and all
is sweetness and light once again<g>
I once let it choose an alternate route because of traffic. It took me
off the freeway and onto surface streets in some city I'd never been in,
and then just STOPPED. I think we traveled a couple of miles in the
wrong direction before we noticed that the stupid cow had just gone off
shift :-( And then there's the time that it demanded that I leave the
freeway and use 20 miles of surface street to get home. I ignored the
advice. No traffic at all on the original route. No idea what the
stupid cow was thinking.
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Post by The Real Bev
I'll never buy another Garmin. Two is enough.
This is my second and don't anticipate having to buy a third any time
soon.
My first one started doing strange(r) stuff, and I wanted a bigger
screen. I had intended to buy a not-Garmin replacement but Best Buy had
such a good deal that I couldn't resist.
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Ed Pawlowski
2016-06-01 19:33:21 UTC
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Post by p***@never.here
Post by The Real Bev
I'll never buy another Garmin. Two is enough.
This is my second and don't anticipate having to buy a third any time
soon.
Nor will I. My last two cars have nav and it works very well. I keep
the Garmin for Europe. My present car uses Google maps.
Wade Garrett
2016-06-01 20:09:24 UTC
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Post by Ed Pawlowski
Post by p***@never.here
Post by The Real Bev
I'll never buy another Garmin. Two is enough.
This is my second and don't anticipate having to buy a third any time
soon.
Nor will I. My last two cars have nav and it works very well. I keep
the Garmin for Europe. My present car uses Google maps.
How does your wallet like the stiff price of those map updates? I guess,
though, that there's some solace in them not coming out all that often ;-)
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p***@never.here
2016-06-02 08:39:10 UTC
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Post by Wade Garrett
Post by Ed Pawlowski
Post by p***@never.here
Post by The Real Bev
I'll never buy another Garmin. Two is enough.
This is my second and don't anticipate having to buy a third any time
soon.
Nor will I. My last two cars have nav and it works very well. I keep
the Garmin for Europe. My present car uses Google maps.
How does your wallet like the stiff price of those map updates? I guess,
though, that there's some solace in them not coming out all that often ;-)
My 2595 came with "free lifetime map updates"

On the 23rd may this year I received an email from Garmin telling me
that an update to the Latest Garmin Maps  - v2017.10 was available.

Opened up Garmin express, hooked up the 2595 and updated to the latest
- no trouble, no cost.
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Wade Garrett
2016-06-02 12:38:58 UTC
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Post by p***@never.here
Post by Wade Garrett
Post by Ed Pawlowski
Post by p***@never.here
Post by The Real Bev
I'll never buy another Garmin. Two is enough.
This is my second and don't anticipate having to buy a third any time
soon.
Nor will I. My last two cars have nav and it works very well. I keep
the Garmin for Europe. My present car uses Google maps.
How does your wallet like the stiff price of those map updates? I guess,
though, that there's some solace in them not coming out all that often ;-)
My 2595 came with "free lifetime map updates"
On the 23rd may this year I received an email from Garmin telling me
that an update to the Latest Garmin Maps - v2017.10 was available.
Opened up Garmin express, hooked up the 2595 and updated to the latest
- no trouble, no cost.
Right, i was referring to the annual car nav map updates- many in the
$130-$150 range...about the price for a new nuvi at Costco/Sam's Club
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p***@never.here
2016-06-03 09:02:47 UTC
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Post by Wade Garrett
Post by p***@never.here
Post by Wade Garrett
Post by Ed Pawlowski
Post by p***@never.here
Post by The Real Bev
I'll never buy another Garmin. Two is enough.
This is my second and don't anticipate having to buy a third any time
soon.
Nor will I. My last two cars have nav and it works very well. I keep
the Garmin for Europe. My present car uses Google maps.
How does your wallet like the stiff price of those map updates? I guess,
though, that there's some solace in them not coming out all that often ;-)
My 2595 came with "free lifetime map updates"
On the 23rd may this year I received an email from Garmin telling me
that an update to the Latest Garmin Maps - v2017.10 was available.
Opened up Garmin express, hooked up the 2595 and updated to the latest
- no trouble, no cost.
Right, i was referring to the annual car nav map updates- many in the
$130-$150 range...about the price for a new nuvi at Costco/Sam's Club
Sorry Wade, I missed the point that you were referring to built-in
systems. Never had one so I've no idea what the "update" policy is.
Probably varies between manufacturers. I'd hope with a new car they
would be free for several years. Probably wishful thinking, I know.
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Ed Pawlowski
2016-06-03 10:01:39 UTC
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Sorry Wade, I missed the point that you were referring to built-in
systems. Never had one so I've no idea what the "update" policy is.
Probably varies between manufacturers. I'd hope with a new car they
would be free for several years. Probably wishful thinking, I know.
Wade's point is that the built in Nav is much more expensive than the
free updates with a Garmin. He is correct.

Steak is more costly than hamburger. We have choices.

I don't know that actual cost of the built in, but I do know it is
much more than a portable. it is part of an overpriced package that
you can only buy after getting two other packages. So yes, I paid
$10,900 to get it. Considering the price of the car, I'm not going to
worry about a $100 update every few years. I really like the Heads Up
Display and all the goodies.

The map is on the 9.2" screen, but in addition, the HUD it shows the
next turn and distance.

I can also sit at the computer and find places I want to go and send
the destination to the car to use later. Sends the phone number too,
so I can call with the push of a button if I want to.

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/build-your-hyundai/
3.8 Ultimate Package cost $3,500
Advanced technology features that give you added options for enhancing
your driving experience. Requires Tech Package
Genuine matte-finish wood trim and aluminum trim
Full Color Heads-up Display
Premium 9.2-inch touchscreen and DIS navigation with HD Display
Lexicon® 17-speaker Discrete Logic 7® surround sound audio
Power trunk lid
Dual-mode front vent control HVAC and CO2 Sensor
Wade Garrett
2016-06-03 12:37:14 UTC
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Post by Ed Pawlowski
Post by p***@never.here
Sorry Wade, I missed the point that you were referring to built-in
systems. Never had one so I've no idea what the "update" policy is.
Probably varies between manufacturers. I'd hope with a new car they
would be free for several years. Probably wishful thinking, I know.
Wade's point is that the built in Nav is much more expensive than the
free updates with a Garmin. He is correct.
Steak is more costly than hamburger. We have choices.
I don't know that actual cost of the built in, but I do know it is
much more than a portable. it is part of an overpriced package that
you can only buy after getting two other packages. So yes, I paid
$10,900 to get it. Considering the price of the car, I'm not going to
worry about a $100 update every few years. I really like the Heads Up
Display and all the goodies.
The map is on the 9.2" screen, but in addition, the HUD it shows the
next turn and distance.
I can also sit at the computer and find places I want to go and send
the destination to the car to use later. Sends the phone number too,
so I can call with the push of a button if I want to.
https://www.hyundaiusa.com/build-your-hyundai/
3.8 Ultimate Package cost $3,500
Advanced technology features that give you added options for enhancing
your driving experience. Requires Tech Package
Genuine matte-finish wood trim and aluminum trim
Full Color Heads-up Display
Premium 9.2-inch touchscreen and DIS navigation with HD Display
Lexicon® 17-speaker Discrete Logic 7® surround sound audio
Power trunk lid
Dual-mode front vent control HVAC and CO2 Sensor
Yeah, I don't have any problem paying for a good steak,

But it grinds my shorts to go to one of those "fine dining" fru-fru clip
joints where the waiters have phony accents and a $10 bottle of dago red
is being touted by the sommelier at $65 ;-)
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Maurice
2016-06-02 11:21:26 UTC
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Post by Wade Garrett
How does your wallet like the stiff price of those map updates?
Honda (UK) provide free map updates for the 1st 5 years for in-car satnav.
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Ed Pawlowski
2016-06-02 23:43:20 UTC
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Post by Wade Garrett
Post by Ed Pawlowski
Post by p***@never.here
Post by The Real Bev
I'll never buy another Garmin. Two is enough.
This is my second and don't anticipate having to buy a third any time
soon.
Nor will I. My last two cars have nav and it works very well. I keep
the Garmin for Europe. My present car uses Google maps.
How does your wallet like the stiff price of those map updates? I guess,
though, that there's some solace in them not coming out all that often ;-)
I did one update when it was on sale for $49. I like the 8" screen though.
Maurice
2016-05-30 10:48:32 UTC
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Post by Maurice
The only way I can find is to give intermediate town names along the
required route - which works, but at each one it tries to take me INTO
the place instead of keeping on the motorway ROUND it.
In a 'eureka' moment as I was brushing my teeth last night I wondered if
entering the motorway number would work - and it does (except that it
then
shows several instances of that number, each with what looks like a
different district number appended - e.g. "E411 - 5020").
(In my case it was Namur (Belgium) and the motorway the A4/E411 going
SE to
Luxembourg.)

Now it keeps me on the motorway instead of taking me into the town.
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Charlie Roberts
2016-05-30 20:47:08 UTC
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On Sun, 29 May 2016 18:17:15 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
Post by Maurice
Using Apps/Trip Planner I've been trying to specify a route from A to B
with detours via specific motorways rather than the shortest direct A->B
route.
The only way I can find is to give intermediate town names along the
required
route - which works, but at each one it tries to take me INTO the place
instead of keeping on the motorway ROUND it.
The result is that on approaching one of the 'via' towns one has to try
to
temporarily ignore the satnav and figure out from road signs what the
ongoing route is, until the thing 'recalculates'.
My old TomTom had the concept of 'waypoints' for this purpose, but I
can't
find the Garmin equivalent.
Is there one?
Have you tried Basecamp?

It is not all that well documented, but there are a number of very
nice tutorials on YouTube.

After trying to programme a nice route in the Schwarzwald on my
nuvi 65 and failing (and, hence, almost missing out on a
breathtakingly beautiful drive), I started to use Basecamp. You
can refine/edit the route to your liking, creating waypoints
wherever you like. It is not hard to get the hang of it.

I would suggest that you download Basecamp and have a go.
Maurice
2016-05-31 11:00:43 UTC
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Post by Charlie Roberts
I started to use Basecamp.
SmartPhone app, presuambly - not for installation in a Nuvi satnav!
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Peter H. Coffin
2016-05-31 19:10:19 UTC
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Post by Maurice
Post by Charlie Roberts
I started to use Basecamp.
SmartPhone app, presuambly - not for installation in a Nuvi satnav!
Desktop app.

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp
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Bob Martin
2016-06-01 06:03:53 UTC
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Post by Peter H. Coffin
Post by Maurice
Post by Charlie Roberts
I started to use Basecamp.
SmartPhone app, presuambly - not for installation in a Nuvi satnav!
Desktop app.
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp
.. but only for Windows "computers"
Peter H. Coffin
2016-06-01 23:25:31 UTC
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Post by Bob Martin
Post by Peter H. Coffin
Post by Maurice
Post by Charlie Roberts
I started to use Basecamp.
SmartPhone app, presuambly - not for installation in a Nuvi satnav!
Desktop app.
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp
.. but only for Windows "computers"
Mac® Requirements
Intel-based Mac running OS 10.10 or higher
1024 MB RAM (2048 MB recommended)

It's to the right of the Windows download button. Use that big hi-res
screen of yours. ;)
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Maurice
2016-06-01 11:35:43 UTC
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Post by Peter H. Coffin
Desktop app.
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp
Well, I don't normally drive around navigating with a desktop
(or is Basecamp simply a good way get a lat/long co-ordinates?).
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Peter H. Coffin
2016-06-01 23:27:24 UTC
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Post by Maurice
Post by Peter H. Coffin
Desktop app.
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp
Well, I don't normally drive around navigating with a desktop
(or is Basecamp simply a good way get a lat/long co-ordinates?).
Charlie was talking about using it for prebuilding routes to meet
specific routing needs. I was just pointing out where to get it and that
it wasn't a smartphone app.
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Charlie Roberts
2016-06-02 14:55:56 UTC
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 18:27:24 -0500, "Peter H. Coffin"
Post by Peter H. Coffin
Post by Maurice
Post by Peter H. Coffin
Desktop app.
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp
Well, I don't normally drive around navigating with a desktop
(or is Basecamp simply a good way get a lat/long co-ordinates?).
Charlie was talking about using it for prebuilding routes to meet
specific routing needs. I was just pointing out where to get it and that
it wasn't a smartphone app.
Right on!

And, before the next stupid remark/question, let me add that
once a route has been built in Basecamp, it can be transferred
to the unit and you do not need Basecamp.

There are some things that are not as one would like, but
Basecamp does a great job of maintaing a database and
route planning and communicates seamlessly with the
GPS unit.
Charlie Roberts
2016-06-02 14:52:33 UTC
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 11:35:43 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
Post by Maurice
Post by Peter H. Coffin
Desktop app.
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp
Well, I don't normally drive around navigating with a desktop
Too bad. You need a bigger vehicle or a laptop ... or even a
notebook.
Post by Maurice
(or is Basecamp simply a good way get a lat/long co-ordinates?).
Why not look it up instead of asking?
Charlie Roberts
2016-06-02 14:48:17 UTC
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On Tue, 31 May 2016 11:00:43 -0000 (UTC), Maurice
Post by Maurice
Post by Charlie Roberts
I started to use Basecamp.
SmartPhone app, presuambly - not for installation in a Nuvi satnav!
No. It is a Windows application from Garmin. Meant to be used in
conjuction with the Garmin units. In fact, only lately has Garmin
allowed users to download the USA maps to their computers so
that Basecamp can be used without a Garmin unit plugged into
the computer.

As for the European map I have, it is locked to the device and I
cannot use Basecamp without attaching the unit to the computer
running Basecamp. Basecamp reads the map on the unit and
does what it has to do.
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